Talk:Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds

Forst Gay Sequel

I have deleted a comment debating the honesty of the film's billing as the "first gay sequel" for two reasons: 1) It veers way to far into POV category; 2) Neither Basic Instinct nor the Brotherhood series are specifically gay (although the Brotherhood series features hunky guys traipsing around in boxer briefs and homoeroticism in plenty).THD3 02:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: PanagiotisZois (talk · contribs) 20:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 16:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Image review

1. File:Eating Out 2 Theatrical Poster.jpg - Fair use image, FUR appears complete and detailed. Source is valid.
2. File:Eating Out 2 Cast.jpg - Fair use image, FUR appears complete and detailed. AGF on offline source.

Prose and comprehensiveness review

Lede

• sequel to Eating Out (2004) - Is sequel a high value blue link? It feels like the average reader will know what a sequel is.
  • Changed.
• who is unsure of his sexual preferences. - Is preferences the right word here? Troy reads as bi, leaning hetero, in the summary.
  • @Crisco 1492: Thank you for taking the time to review this article! I might be a bit slow to handle everything due to other commitments. Regarding your point above: Hmm... Well, Troy does admit that he's been with women and some men. But at the same time he's also not sure if he's gay or straight for most of the film. He definitely think that he shouldn't have feelings for men and tries to be straight. It's not until the film's last 15 minutes or so that he's like, "I'm bisexual and proud of it". I'm not entirely sure how to put all that in the lede. Could "unsure" be replaced with "uncertain" maybe that he is "questioning his sexuality"? --PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
    • I was wondering more about "preferences". I'll admit that I'm not up-to-date on the most recent discourses in sexual orientation and identity, but I do remember that in the 90s and 00s there were a lot of efforts to fight the view that being gay was a "choice". Preference implies a choice, to me at least, whereas "orientation" does not (the APA dictionary of psychology describes "preference" as outdated as well). Would "who is questioning his sexuality" or "who is exploring his sexual identity" work better? Or "who is seeking to understand his sexual orientation", even? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Plot

• hotter - This doesn't seem to be appropriate, per WP:TONE. We should avoid slang
  • Changed
• Kyle and the girls devise a scheme in which Kyle pretends to be an ex-gay who is dating Tiffani, to overcome Troy's inhibitions and get him to sleep with the both of them - Did he make this plot with Gwen as well? You've introduced her in the previous line, so "both of them" could be ambiguous.
• the two have oral sex, but Marc cannot go through with it because he still has feelings for Kyle. - "go through with it" is ambiguous in this context. Do they start undressing, then Marc realizes that he is unready, or does he withdraw consent during the act?
• witnessing the debacle - Are they peeking on the threesome, or is there another matter they witness?

Production

• Aside from Dapper, did any of the cast discuss their experiences in detail? Based on what's written here, it sounds like they were approached and, for the most part, just said "Alright".
  • Unfortunately, none of the sources I've found include any other statements from the remaining cast members. The DVD did include audio commentary, but I haven't been able to get my hands on that thus far. I'll see about working on that in the future.
    • Sounds good. I know how hard it can be to get ahold of more obscure films (or, heck, even physical media in general sometimes). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Reception

• Despite its low budget - is there any reporting on the film's budget?
  • Sadly, nothing.
• Nelson also highlighted Dapper's full-frontal scene, describing it as being of "impressive length"; - "It" is ambiguous. The next quote makes it sound like Dapper's penis is the "impressive length", but the context suggests that the scene had his nude body on-camera for a long time. Which is correct?
• Overall, the reception section feels awfully heavy on the quotes. This is to be expected, certainly, but we have repetitions of the word "hunky", as well as multiple uses of the word "also" to repeat ideas that could have been condensed with "several reviewers" or something similar.

Source review

• Earwig found 40.1% similarity. Reviewing the examples provided, these are all the film's title or properly attributed quotes. Therefore, no copyvio detected.
• What makes greginhollywood.com a reliable source?
  • Seems a bit low-quality, so I removed it.
• Would be preferable for all online sources to have archives, if possible. The article is inconsistent in this regard.
  • The only sources I noticed that weren't archived were the 2 newspaper sources. I've added archive links to both.
• Please review sources for title case (contrast 42 and 43, for example)
  • I believe I've rectified that properly.
• Documentary - Is Allan Brocka on YouTube the same Q. Allan Brocka mentioned in the article? Per WP:COPYLINK, we need to be sure that he has the right to host this material before linking it. He is not the copyright holder; Quantic is.

Conclusion

 On hold Overall, this is very close to ready. Just a few nitpicks, mostly. Also, please note that I edited the article while reviewing. Please review to confirm no meanings have been changed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)