Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Austrian sail frigates

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There was some suggestions to rename/move or merge this information but no consensus to do so. Debate as to those editorial decisions may continue on the talk page. Arkyan  ^(talk) 20:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Austrian sail frigates[edit]

Prodded twice with reasons "unreferenced, indescriminate listcruft with virtually no information" and "Appears to be an arbitrary list." I am neutral. Note similar articles in Category:Lists of sailing ships. –Pomte 14:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This list (like many) would be better as a category, but that requiresther to be articles on some of the ships. The same applies to other lists in the category. Some one has been undertaking substantial research for some of the other lists, and referencing them to reliable printed sources. I suspect this has the same sources. I also suspect that they are in fact all (or mostly) naval ships. People treat the Austrian navy as if it were a joke, but Austria had a coast for a period in the 19th century when it possessed Venice. I would thus suggest it as a Weak Keep. A similar proplem seems to apply to some ship lists that do not appear in the category. Peterkingiron 09:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dalmatian coast was part of the Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary until 1918 and the Austro-Hungarian Navy usually won their battles, unlike the land forces. Pavel Vozenilek 14:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, too lousy and would only discourage someone to create an useful article somewhere in Category:Ships of the Austro-Hungarian Navy. A list of AH sail ships with technical details is e.g. on [1]. Pavel Vozenilek 14:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions. -- Carom 16:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 10:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep: This isn't much, but there are numerous lists of warships, including broken down into sailing ships. What makes this any more "arbitrary" than any other list? RGTraynor 14:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Definite keep - this is just as valid as List of French sail frigates, List of sailing frigates of the United States Navy, List of Turkish sail frigates et al. Remember, what's now Croatia and much of what's now northern Italy was historically part of Austria for centuries & Austria was a major naval power right up until WW1. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This did seem like the Seacoast of Bohemia, but I am glad to have the geography explained. DGG 07:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Might want to rename to clarify that this is the Austrian Empire and not present day Austria. Rookwood^{Dept. of Mysteries} 16:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. One of the many flaws in non-noteability policy is its tendancy to further reporting bias within Wikipedia in favour of present powers. It is unreasonable to declare large lists and catergories of large nations are allowed, but not small lists and catergories from small nations - (or ex-empires). It would be cruel if this list has been created by blind application of policy to subdividing all lists of naval ships into smaller catergories - great to tidy up lists of USN or RN vessels, an unintelligble mangle of tiny catergories and sublists for 9/10ths of the worlds navies. I think the best solution would be amalgamation into Category:Ships of the Austro-Hungarian Navy. In the ideal world I'd like to see the author list all of Austro-Hungary's ships in one place, and ignore the policy of subdividing all smaller nation lists and catergories into sub catergories you have to click on to reach the one or two or six items inside. (A similar problem blights aircraft lists outside the top 4 or 5 manufacturing nations and so forth). Winstonwolfe 07:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.